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"Belief, and the Will to Win"
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Usurpação/Etnicídio PerfeitoComo um possivel ponto de interesse e para fazer uma simples comparação, por meio duma lista, o tempo que Olivença e Gibraltar estiveram debaixo de governos estrangeiros
:A historia diz que um povo ariano, os visigodos, de origem da Europa oriental, entraram na Peninsula iberica volta de 416 por convite dos romanos para restrict e suprimir os Suevos (o maior grupo germanico), os Vandalos e os Alanos (da região do Cáucaso) de tomar conta da peninsula. Quando os visigodos chegaram, os suevos ja tinham estabelecido o seu reino na parte ocidental da peninsula e faziam muitas dificuldades aos romanos nos arredores de Merida, a sua nova capital.
Cerca de 585 os visigodos sucederam em destruir a monarquia sueva e empurra-los novamente para a Galiza. Mas o seu domínio na parte ocidental foi sempre fraco, e em 711 perderam o controlo do resto da peninsula, sendo for&accedil;dos a retirarem-se para as montanhas de Cantábria e os Pirenéus pelos Mouros vindos do norte de África.
OLIVENÇA
711 - 1228 Mouros
1228 - 1278 Templários Portugueses
1278 - 1297 Bispado de Badajós
1297 - 1801 Português
- (Debaixo das "Duas Coroas", 1580-1640, o território permaneceu Português. Durante a Guerra da Restauração da Independencia 1640-1668, foi ocupado pelos espanhois 1657-1668, mas voltou a reunificar-se com Portugal pelo Tratado de Lisboa em 1668.)1801 - 2004 Espanhol
(Por a Espanha não cumprir o Tratado de Viena, ratificado em 1817)Sumário de anos:
Mouro 517
Português 524
Castelhano/Espanhol 233 (períodos 1657-1668 e do Bispado incluidos)
Gibraltar
711 - 1309 Mouro
1309 - 1333 Castelhano
1333 - 1462 Mouro
1462 - 1704 Castelhano/Espanhol
1704 - 2004 Inglês
Sumário de anos:
Mouro: 727
Castelhano/Espanhol:266
Inglês:300
GIBRALTAR AND OLIVENÇA
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As a possible matter of interest and to draw a simple comparison, I am listing the times when Olivença and Gibraltar have been under different "powers":
History tells us that the Arian people, the Visigoths, originally from eastern Europe, entered the Iberian peninsula around 416 with the approval of the Romans to restrict and supress the Suevi (the major, Germanic group), the Alans and the Vandals from overruning the peninsula. When the Visigoths arrived, the Suevi had already established their Kingdom on the western half and were giving the Romans a hard time around Merida, their new capital.
By 585 the Visigoths had succeeded in destroying the Suevi monarchy and driving them back into Galicia. However, their dominance in the western half was always a little stretched, and in 711 they lost control of the rest of the peninsula, and were forced to retreat to the Cantabrian and Pyrenees mountains by the Moors from North Africa.
Olivença
711 - 1228 Moors
1228 - 1278 Portuguese Templars
1278 - 1297 Bishopric of Badajoz
1297 - 1801 Portuguese - (Under the "Two Crowns" arrangement, 1580-1640, the territory remained Portuguese. During the Restoration of Independence War 1640-1668, it came under Spanish occupation 1657 to 1668, but was reunited with Portugal under the Treaty of Lisbon in 1668.)
1801 - 2004 Spanish
(Spain not having complied with the Treaty of Vienna, ratified in 1817)
Summary of years:
Moors: 517
Portuguese: 524
Castilian/Spanish: 233 (includes 1657-1668 & 'Bishopric' period)
Gibraltar
711 - 1309 Moors
1309 - 1333 Castilian
1333 - 1462 Moors
1462 - 1704 Castilian/Spanish
1704 - 2004 British
Summary of years:
Moors: 727
Castilian/Spanish:267
British:300
In a report in the "European", 4-10 December 1997, Spain's then Foreign Affairs Minister, Abel Matutes said: "Imagine if Londoners woke up every day to find there was a patch of land near Dover occupied by the French who turned up 300 years ago and imposed a treaty on them. The proud British would not put up with that, we are also proud."
The similarities to Olivença are obvious and so is also the contrast between the Spanish and Portuguese governments posture to their respective situations. The Spaniards have always openly claimed and pressed the British to restore them Gibraltar. The Portuguese just quietly say that they do not recognize Spain's illegal occupation of their territory but do not take any diplomatic action to achieve its reintegration.
From the following articles we can draw our own conclusions which country, Portugal or Spain, will achieve its desired objective first.
Rui A.M. da Silva
The Times-They're a-changing - 24/Oct/2001, The Times
Secret Deal over Gibraltar - 29/Oct/2001, The Guardian
Between a Bully and a Fickle Friend - 10/Nov/2001, Rui da Silva